Feydakin wrote:I can pull statistics out and make any point I want... people don't want to see, they don't want to admit fault with whatever ideal they hold even when faced with facts.
but aren't you sorta just pot-kettle-blacking there a bit?
because no, not *any* statistics can be thrown out to prove *any* point. they can however be cherry-picked and then twisted. you have to know how to read and discern between the truth and fiction...even down to how the information is collected and handled in the first place just like any proper scientific study. look at the source material. look at who it's coming from and what their agenda might be. facts are facts, pure and simple, and they do not change depending someone's political views.
where did i say "all of the right are white supremacists"? who are you talking to?? sure as hell the right is full of them, yes...they rallied for Drumpf more than any other president in recent history. the current administration has a bunch, yup. Drumpf's dad Fred, possibly himself in the KKK. but i'm plenty aware that there are still sensible conservatives in power. they're just being spineless pieces of shit right now for not speaking up, as they choose to put their party & their seats in Congress first over American, and HUMAN values.
and the whole "Chicago" talking point the right loves to throw out along with black on black crime....um why do you think that exists in the first place? could it be the forced poverty & inequality due to the decades upon decades of systematic racism that has been going on since their ancestors were first brought here against their will? i don't have the time nor patience to go into the history of how racism has become ingrained into almost every facet of housing, criminal justice, prison, education, medicine...everything...but you surely are aware of this fact. not to mention how the "movement" has infiltrated our very law enforcement. imagine if a group of black or Muslim folks decided to march en-mass into a city, armed to the teeth and shouting about how those were "their streets". seriously...cops would have been in riot gear dropping tear gas faster than the first marcher's boot hit gravel. so trying to prove a point equating the violence to that of white supremacist extremism while ignoring the very root of the problem -
systematic racism due to white supremacy - basically makes that argument a tad ridiculous.
i don't agree with all of antifa's tactics. many are either angry Bernie-bro's or spoiled Berkley kids who will grow out of it once they leave college and have to get real jobs. but painting them all as "Communists" is a tad hyperbolic, and attempting to equate them with Nazis is just laughable. some are out there trying to do the right thing and are not violent, just as not "all" protesters on the right are violent. but i'm concerned, along with what sounds like most of the country right now besides the people in Washington and Drumpf's 34% hardcore supporters, with the normalization of the level of hate that the white supremacy movement has now achieved with his presidency, his lack of denouncement, and now his party's story about how both sides are equally to blame. only one side killed 3 people the other weekend. only one side wants to eradicate anyone who is not white and of European descent. and that's so sickening i cannot even properly express myself.
the right also keeps trying to paint BLM as some kind of "radical hate group" while they actually still remain a movement against ALL of this violence. truth is not a single story of violence at a BLM protest has been actually factually linked to a true member of their group. there's just a lot of unverified hearsay and exaggerated fiction floating around by people with agendas. and the stories of violence people love to spread are just anecdotes...told second-hand and repeated down the line, with information ignored on purpose to leave out certain facts in order to suit their own skewed narrative. aside from some of the more fantastical tales out there, i heard someone say, "
well if they're against violence why aren't they protesting in the streets of Chicago every day?" BLM doesn't need to address *every single* act of violence because that is a distraction in itself and takes away from an overall cohesive message they're trying to present.
i also consistently only hear one side talking about a civil war. yeah, because *that* would really be great for the country just as much as the last one was! the majority of America is NOT EXTREMIST. the country may be split politically at the moment, but most folks are pretty moderate in their views according to (gasp) statistics. extremism is not taking over. it is killing people, though. and THAT is still a problem, dammit.
the antifa might get in fist-fights, burn cars and toss trash cans through windows, they may even have some questionable political views, but at least for the most part they're a lot of stupid young people on the side of pure decency, and not parading with machine guns about literal fucking genocide.
i know we differ greatly on that last point, so i don't really believe i can say much more on this subject.
BUT about people in power wanting us divided...THAT i am all with you on. that is because they all, in reality, serve the same masters...Right or Left, Red or Blue. it's why i don't pick a side and stay Independent. because in reality it's all just one huge game to them, and i refuse to play. it's designed to keep us distracted and at each other's throats instead of at THEIRS. because the money - the bankers at the top behind the politics - is the true power. corporate control is the true slave master and they have stakes in both parties. throughout history they've always fund both sides of every war so no matter what, they win. we're not really divided if we all just stop and see this simple truth.
[quote="Feydakin"]I can pull statistics out and make any point I want... people don't want to see, they don't want to admit fault with whatever ideal they hold even when faced with facts. [/quote]
but aren't you sorta just pot-kettle-blacking there a bit?
because no, not *any* statistics can be thrown out to prove *any* point. they can however be cherry-picked and then twisted. you have to know how to read and discern between the truth and fiction...even down to how the information is collected and handled in the first place just like any proper scientific study. look at the source material. look at who it's coming from and what their agenda might be. facts are facts, pure and simple, and they do not change depending someone's political views.
where did i say "all of the right are white supremacists"? who are you talking to?? sure as hell the right is full of them, yes...they rallied for Drumpf more than any other president in recent history. the current administration has a bunch, yup. Drumpf's dad Fred, possibly himself in the KKK. but i'm plenty aware that there are still sensible conservatives in power. they're just being spineless pieces of shit right now for not speaking up, as they choose to put their party & their seats in Congress first over American, and HUMAN values.
and the whole "Chicago" talking point the right loves to throw out along with black on black crime....um why do you think that exists in the first place? could it be the forced poverty & inequality due to the decades upon decades of systematic racism that has been going on since their ancestors were first brought here against their will? i don't have the time nor patience to go into the history of how racism has become ingrained into almost every facet of housing, criminal justice, prison, education, medicine...everything...but you surely are aware of this fact. not to mention how the "movement" has infiltrated our very law enforcement. imagine if a group of black or Muslim folks decided to march en-mass into a city, armed to the teeth and shouting about how those were "their streets". seriously...cops would have been in riot gear dropping tear gas faster than the first marcher's boot hit gravel. so trying to prove a point equating the violence to that of white supremacist extremism while ignoring the very root of the problem - [i]systematic racism due to white supremacy[/i] - basically makes that argument a tad ridiculous.
i don't agree with all of antifa's tactics. many are either angry Bernie-bro's or spoiled Berkley kids who will grow out of it once they leave college and have to get real jobs. but painting them all as "Communists" is a tad hyperbolic, and attempting to equate them with Nazis is just laughable. some are out there trying to do the right thing and are not violent, just as not "all" protesters on the right are violent. but i'm concerned, along with what sounds like most of the country right now besides the people in Washington and Drumpf's 34% hardcore supporters, with the normalization of the level of hate that the white supremacy movement has now achieved with his presidency, his lack of denouncement, and now his party's story about how both sides are equally to blame. only one side killed 3 people the other weekend. only one side wants to eradicate anyone who is not white and of European descent. and that's so sickening i cannot even properly express myself.
the right also keeps trying to paint BLM as some kind of "radical hate group" while they actually still remain a movement against ALL of this violence. truth is not a single story of violence at a BLM protest has been actually factually linked to a true member of their group. there's just a lot of unverified hearsay and exaggerated fiction floating around by people with agendas. and the stories of violence people love to spread are just anecdotes...told second-hand and repeated down the line, with information ignored on purpose to leave out certain facts in order to suit their own skewed narrative. aside from some of the more fantastical tales out there, i heard someone say, "[i]well if they're against violence why aren't they protesting in the streets of [b]Chicago[/b] every day?[/i]" BLM doesn't need to address *every single* act of violence because that is a distraction in itself and takes away from an overall cohesive message they're trying to present.
i also consistently only hear one side talking about a civil war. yeah, because *that* would really be great for the country just as much as the last one was! the majority of America is NOT EXTREMIST. the country may be split politically at the moment, but most folks are pretty moderate in their views according to (gasp) statistics. extremism is not taking over. it is killing people, though. and THAT is still a problem, dammit.
the antifa might get in fist-fights, burn cars and toss trash cans through windows, they may even have some questionable political views, but at least for the most part they're a lot of stupid young people on the side of pure decency, and not parading with machine guns about literal fucking genocide.
i know we differ greatly on that last point, so i don't really believe i can say much more on this subject.
BUT about people in power wanting us divided...THAT i am all with you on. that is because they all, in reality, serve the same masters...Right or Left, Red or Blue. it's why i don't pick a side and stay Independent. because in reality it's all just one huge game to them, and i refuse to play. it's designed to keep us distracted and at each other's throats instead of at THEIRS. because the money - the bankers at the top behind the politics - is the true power. corporate control is the true slave master and they have stakes in both parties. throughout history they've always fund both sides of every war so no matter what, they win. we're not really divided if we all just stop and see this simple truth.
/peace
