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Postby AliceElite » Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:57 pm

Rivoc wrote:No one I've ever known has talked about sexual assault being okay. its not okay. not in private, not in public, not ever. im supporting Johnson all the way. I dont think hes perfect, but if you give me the options of a burnt steak, way overseasoned seafood, or chicken breast with just basic salt and pepper, im picking the chicken breast every time.

He seems reasonable, and i agree with just enough of his policies to feel good about having him as president.


So the problem with johnson is that he's a socially liberal fiscal conservative which means he hates poor people as much as republicans, he just thinks that if you're gay you should be able to get married and that drugs should be decriminalized. He is small government, ultimate freedom, zero social safety nets. He's scarier than republicans, because he thinks I'm worthless under a veneer of personal freedoms.

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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby Rivoc » Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:54 am

As much as I disagree with having no social safety nets, I refuse to vote for Drumpf or hillary. Im still backing johnson, I agree with more of his policies than the other candidates ive read about. This time last year I literally could not afford to buy a box of stick butter for 2.99 when my roommates asked me to bring some home after work. If i didnt have their support, i wouldve ended up on welfare or unemployment. there are def good people that just need assistance when jobs are shit.

I agree so much with a lot more of his policies, and While he may not be huge on social safety nets, i dont believe hed cut them completely, and I wont believe he thinks people are worthless without reading it from a good source. Not that I dont trust you, I just refuse to believe ANYONE'S opinions in politics as absolute truth, without facts in front of me to back it up. and i know he IS all about job growth and giving citizens the best opportunities to work and ghet jobs so that they can support themselves.

I do know Johnson and Weld transformed Massachusetts from having the highest to the lowest unemployment rate of any industrialized state in less than 8 years. So they have experience in creating jobs and lowering unemployment, which is also good.

I understand the their stance on issues are going to be sugar coated to some degree on their own website to make them sound more appealing, but from everything I've read on them, I see WAYYYYY more I like than dislike.
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby Skywalker » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:46 pm

Found this... about Stine and Johnson

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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby ink » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:41 pm

yea i seen that.. ol john oliver keeping us grounded.. dude brings it, like everytime /rotfl
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby NaranjaRa » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:45 pm

was totally going to post that. Oliver ripped both of them to shreds, hilariously.
but Johnson is definitely another dangerous buffoon.

i'm sorry but i don't believe a candidate should be picked because they promise just enough good things that catch your eye. you must look at the details...especially how the hell they plan to make good on said promises in the reality of having to work with other branches of government as well as foreign leaders. beyond the things that sparkle and on to what might be harmful. maybe things that don't affect you directly but affect others in a much tougher spot, unable to fend for themselves completely, or the planet we live on itself.

just my 2 cents.

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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby Rivoc » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:51 am

Yeah he definitely made me rethink everything. BUT i WILL NOT NOT NOT EVER vote for Hilary or Drumpf, and Oliver def comes off as pro Hilary. I am not ok with that.
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby AliceElite » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:24 pm

I'm voting stein, because she is the only anti-capitalist running. It's that simple. I don't like capitalists or capitalism and I want a fully socialist government and economy. Johnson is the exact opposite of that, with repubs and dems not far behind him.

From his page on the environment:

"Is the climate changing? Probably so.

Is man contributing to that change? Probably so." - If your answer isn't a definite yes to all these questions, I don't trust you.

"In a healthy economy that allows the market to function unimpeded, consumers, innovators, and personal choices will do more to bring about environmental protection and restoration than will government regulations driven by special interests. " - this is just false. Flatly false.

From his page on education:

"That is why he believes we should eliminate the federal Department of Education." - the DoE gives out the country's student aid, it does research into education and outcomes, oversees the accreditation of schools and universities, and a host of other things that directly benefit us.

"Competition, he believes, will make our public and private educational institutions better." - 1) More funding from the DoE would help, but, hey, why do we need those guys anyway and b) that's not even really true

From his page on the war on drugs:
"Governors Johnson and Weld do not support the legalization of other recreational drugs that are currently illegal. It is, however, their belief that drug rehabilitation and harm-reduction programs result in a more productive society than incarceration and arrests for drug use." - this really bugs me because you just spent an entire page on weed, which, lets face it, is going to be completely legal in five years anyway so what's the fucking point, and literally DO NOT MENTION the opioid crisis that is rampaging through the country? Okay, yeah, I smell some REAL ASS BULLSHIT if the only thing you have to say about the war on drugs is 'weed is that bad guyssssss'. Back that up with some SUBSTANCE please.

From religious freedom, or, I like gay people:
"In short, Utah found a way to protect religious freedom without creating a “right to discriminate”." -This is not a good idea for other states because Utah is already so permissible re: religious freedoms.

I was going to quote from his page on criminal justice reform but there's nothing there of substance for me to quote or refute, like, he doesn't put forth any policy positions at all.

From his page on taxes:
"Governor Johnson advocates for ... the replacement of all income and payroll taxes with a single consumption tax that determines your tax burden by how much you spend, not how much you earn." - Cool, but in order to do that our sales tax would have to increase SIGNIFICANTLY and also fall more heavily on poor people.
"In the real world, every consumption tax out there is going to hit low and middle income households to a greater extent than the income tax does."
"While Kansas residents may receive large tax refund checks, they must also deal with slashed school budgets, tougher rules for public assistance and numerous other cut costs. While it may seem like an effective plan to improve a state's economy, no study has reflected that a state has significant economic growth after implementing a plan to reduce income tax while increasing sales tax. Furthermore, the shift in taxes can create a crushing burden on the lower income families."
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby NaranjaRa » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:45 am

Rivoc wrote:Yeah he definitely made me rethink everything. BUT i WILL NOT NOT NOT EVER vote for Hilary or Drumpf, and Oliver def comes off as pro Hilary. I am not ok with that.


dude. Johnson flat-out wants to eliminate your job. /62
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby Rivoc » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:10 am

NaranjaRa wrote:
Rivoc wrote:Yeah he definitely made me rethink everything. BUT i WILL NOT NOT NOT EVER vote for Hilary or Drumpf, and Oliver def comes off as pro Hilary. I am not ok with that.


dude. Johnson flat-out wants to eliminate your job. /62


Not even at all. getting rid of The Dept of Education isnt getting rid of all teachers. They are the government fat cats that control my curriculum. they have nothing to do with my hiring or firing. all of that is run by the district. the department of education has NOTHING to do with the hiring and firing of teachers.
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby Rivoc » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:12 am

they ARE the organization that made schools deal with that SHITTY, OH SO SHITTY "No Child Left Behind" and also that common core curriculum that oh so many of you love to praise,
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Postby NaranjaRa » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:04 am

you don't think a sweeping disruption of that magnitude wouldn't shake things up to the degree that would trickle down to eventually affect jobs in education? not that i don't agree with your sentiment regarding standardized curriculums, or that i don't have my own complaints with the calls made by that department. but gutting the whole thing without explaining to people exactly what that would entail, who it would affect, how it would affect them, along with a plan to handle any "essential" functions it did serve is misleading and tells me he really has no idea how shit really works. the details matter. they truly are EVERYTHING.

people can say all kinds of neat things, make all kinds of idealistic promises, have beliefs that mirror yours...

but so many times those awesome ideas fall apart when matched with the reality of how things work in politics & how things actually get accomplished. i think that's unfortunately why Bernie didn't get the nom. he was so spot on with soooo much, but so many of the great changes he wanted to make would in reality never get through Congress. it's such a shame but it's the truth.
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby Rivoc » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:38 am

I really dont think that would trickle down and affect my job to that magnitude. They cant just fire all teachers. there's already a shortage as it is. we are in high demand, at least on the west coast. I REALLY REALLY wanted him to debate so he can elaborate more on his details. no matter how bad he sounds to anyone else, that does not change the way I look at Hilary as the epitome of corrupt and shady or Drumpf as a racist fear mongerer that leads with creating fear and brews on hate. I dont care how bad anyone makes Johnson out to be... i dont think he's anywhere near a level of dark and evil as the main two. im skeptic of all these peeps and i truly believe im picking the lesser of four evils.
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby NaranjaRa » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:33 am

I'm not talking about teachers getting fired...that's not how or where the shock-waves would hit if the entire DOE were abolished...

*** quick yet important side note: the idea of shutting down the DOE is typically part of grand conservative rhetoric. even Drumpf says he wants to do away with it. but the fact of the matter is that NO President nor any one person can legally just up and cut a federal department that was created via an act of Congress. it would actually require another act of Congress to make that happen. so really this entire tangent is being used to demonstrate the importance of the details and how, without thorough and continuous exploration deeper into the issues, one might end up inadvertently voting against one's own best interests (see: Brexit) ***

ok, so besides the fact the department is definitely bloated (not sure exact count but something like over 5,000 employees), and those pesky federal reports and mandates and other hoops that educators all hate to jump through, as well as - sure - overall gripes in regards to fat-cats controlling the classroom curriculum, the DOE actually serves some POSITIVE purposes such as:

- awarding Pell Grants to students in need. around 85% of ALL full-time undergraduate students at four-year colleges in the 2011-12 school year relied on financial aid of some type
- serves as oversight to ensure states do not break civil rights laws. because, as folks in the south know, sometimes leaving states completely to their own devices doesn't always go so well.
- serves as oversight to ensure more disadvantaged populations & districts are treated the same as wealthier areas. again, history has seen funds redirected from low-income communities to serve those with more wealth (i.e. political "importance")
- keeps and collects valuable data regarding the education system, schools, students, and demographics, which in turn helps the department discern where grants have been most effective, what programs are successful, etc.
- ensures there is no discrimination in schools, including gender-based. remember, it was federal code that first allowed women to compete in male-dominated athletics.
- serves as oversight in making sure the funds schools receive are handled appropriately and helps keep fraud at bay [emphasis on helps...]

i'm just going to deal with the financial aspect, because this is what will exactly trickle down and affect students, teachers, schools, and entire communities.

simply put, cut the federal grants and the institutions that depend on those funds will fold:
That probably wouldn't go over very well with the for-profit higher education lobby, which relies on federal dollars to stay open. Same goes for the private non-profit colleges. Within the first year, many private schools would likely close, and probably a fair amount of community colleges as well. Other state public schools would also be hit hard from the lack of grants and loans, but their relative position compared to the private schools would probably improve, because the state subsidies allow for their tuition to be lower so more students would be willing to enroll in those schools.

But that increase in demand for state subsidized higher education actually increases the burden on states, which would feel the pressure to expand the number of seats available and pay for it through tax increases. So while [this] plan would certainly decrease the number of people going to college overall, it would also increase the number wanting to go to state subsidized schools, and likely increase the state's tax effort for public higher education....
Also, given just how important higher education is as a sector of the economy in many parts of the country, such a decrease in federal aid would possibly lead to a mild recession, at least in certain areas.


so it's not as much about the potential for teachers to actually get fired...as it is just not having a place to go to work altogether.

and that's just ONE responsibility of the DOE being cut.
so really.
Johnson hasn't thought any of this out. /62

one more thing slightly off-topic but yet not: i think Common Core standards have gotten a bad rep and get touted as some kind of federally-mandated curriculum. but really, they're state-adopted standards. i'm obviously not an expert though so don't believe me without doing your own research of course.

but back to Johnson.

as someone who values education, why do you want to support the candidate who seems to be the least-educated? actual degrees don't matter i'm talking pure knowledge and the ability to discuss pertinent issues intelligently. the man COULD NOT EVEN NAME THE LEADER OF NORTH KOREA. seriously. the more i see him actually speak the dumber-sounding he gets. o_O

(ps u know i :heart: u...i wouldn't be willing to invest time discussing politics with you at all if i didn't)
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby AliceElite » Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:14 pm

I mean we can talk all day about how bad Hillary is - and that's true, she's a diehard Democrat who has steeped in the corruption of the rich and powerful for years. Yeah. That's true. She shamed, humiliated, and destroyed the reputations of the women her husband assaulted. Is that utterly disgusting? Yeah, yeah it is.

I'm not asking you to vote for her. Fuck it, abstain, if you don't like any of the candidates. I'm cool with that.

I just can't stand seeing smart people support candidates that will hurt them. Drumpf and Johnson will hasten the decline of this country (i mean lets burn it all down and put socialism in it's place w/e). Hillary will continue the decline exactly as it stands. Poor people, people of color, and workers will not be benefited by Drumpf or Johnson. They will continue to be hurt, union membership will decline, and all workers will suffer. Johnson is a capitalist pig, and he scares me, because he actually has experience governing, and so might actually be able to pull off some of his grand plans.
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby cerrodepedro » Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:50 pm

NaranjaRa wrote:and that's just ONE responsibility of the DOE being cut.


Another function is the disassembly of nuclear warheads. Yeah. We need it. And let's be honest--if you cast the funding/de-funding process aside, which Congress approves/disapproves--the Executive Branch absolutely has power to just shut down departments. It's completely within their scope. I love the strands of some libertarian thought that talk about the ethical and moral benefits of reducing the size of the government, including taking down the colonizing and imperial forces that enslave most of the developing world. That's pretty cool. But um, there are 350 fucking million people in this country. And the entities that have been granted artificial markets and actual permission to engage in military-like activities aren't going to go away.

Even socialism has its failures in a system built on the backs of the disenfranchised. Traditional Trotskyism includes seizure of the means of production. Well, the USA and much of the rest of the developed and enslaving world don't really do production all that much any more. We just do service, including many jobs that are sort of unnecessary.

What gets my goat about the idealist third party folks is that they are really fucking late to the game. Yes, Stein showed up nice and early, but given that the Green Party still very much operates within the neoliberal system, honestly, they should've worked the system more effectively. Yep. I've voted Green Party since 2004. But this election, Clinton won. Yep. She won. She took us all hostage. She got Bernie and his supporters and potential supporters silenced and their votes suppressed. I agree with many that she wielded influence in the Grand 'Ole Party primaries and caucuses to get Drumpf installed. And she will continue the imperial march, because frankly, she doesn't plan on toying with the idea of the use of nukes.

She's a war hawk. She will continue deporting brown people en masse like Obama did in record numbers, and she'll continue supporting minimal oversight of law enforcement because she's a fucking racist. She'll violate indigenous entities' autonomy. She'll support violent trade deals. She's going to keep the war on drugs going, because I again reiterate that she's a fucking racist, and again I reiterate that she supports the Empire. She's basically a Reagan, but a woman, which, like black people, the far right and even the right of center hate.

But again, she isn't threatening humanity with an extinction event. And she isn't going to fuck around willy nilly with Russia. And she isn't going to appoint judges who will turn women into reproduction slaves. And she's going to veto LGBTQ+-killing measures steeped in bigotry and religious persecution complexes.

AliceElite wrote:Drumpf and Johnson will hasten the decline of this country (i mean lets burn it all down and put socialism in it's place w/e). Hillary will continue the decline exactly as it stands.


BAM.

She won. I keep telling people: Take all that late to the game idealistic energy you're stupidly investing in the presidential election, and funnel it into congressional, state, and local elections. Support candidates who look to destroy the first-to-the-post election system and replace it with something like ranked choice.
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Re: Johnson/Weld Spinoff Thread

Postby AliceElite » Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:51 pm

cerrodepedro wrote:Take all that late to the game idealistic energy you're stupidly investing in the presidential election, and funnel it into congressional, state, and local elections. Support candidates who look to destroy the first-to-the-post election system and replace it with something like ranked choice.


((I'm working on the Ranked Choice Voting campaign in my state, it's pretty great FYI))
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Postby NaranjaRa » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:23 am

AliceElite wrote:I'm voting stein, because she is the only anti-capitalist running.


she's not. at all....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... PoFacebook

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Postby AliceElite » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:53 pm

So the green party is the anticapitalist party that is going to be on most ballots.

Also, to clarify, Stein has investments in funds and portfolios that take her money AND THEN INVEST it in places she has really no control over. Are there ANY mutual funds that FOR SURE don't invest money into big pharma or big oil? Serious question. http://time.com/money/3423142/divestmen ... investing/ Most people don't actually choose where their money goes. And to be fair, if she kept that money in anything other than a local credit union, she would be investing in fossil fuels. That's what banks do.

I don't blame her for playing the hand she was dealt - just like, even though I'm a socialist, I still plan on starting my own business.

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Postby AliceElite » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:00 pm

Also, all our faves are problematic - Stein still hasn't given me a satisfactory answer on some of the stuff she said several years ago regarding trans folks, and she still hasn't clarified her "autism is a public health epidemic" comment, but honestly if that is the worst that she's got I'm okay with that.

I would like to point out that Stein actually went to standing rock and has actively worked against the fossil fuel industry, Clinton put out a statement that was deliberately vague and very clearly showed that she thinks that the oil companies matter more than the treaties, Drumpf literally could not care any less, and Johnson would like to deregulate everything resulting in more oil spills, but, you know Jill Stein DID put money in mutual funds that invested in fossil fuels. :sips tea:
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Postby Skywalker » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:42 pm

Well here in NC, there was only three candidates (and their VPs) -- Clinton, Drumpf, and Johnson. If you do the write in, it is not counted or something like that. So with that being said, I cast my ballot last week. I voted a pure Dem ticket. Cause NC is so fucked up right now. Black folks are currently suing due to black folks being dropped from the voting roles. That is to be expected if anyone knows anything about NC history.

While I am glad that there are a few different third party candidates, until one actually has some type of pull than the ones currently running.
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Postby NaranjaRa » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:13 am

that's what i was going to say, Sky. 3rd party folks continue to remain "spoiler" candidates until there comes someone who actually has what it takes. i still totally stand with the idea that all 4 SUCK. i despise voting for the lesser evil but unfortunately we still have far to go until this setup ceases to be. that's because money fuels everything. i've always been independent and have voted both green & dem before, but right now it's more important to me to stop Drumpf than try to pursue idealistic causes that likely won't be seen to fruition anyway because the only way change happens in our current system is incrementally. maybe 10 years ago when i was younger and more hopeful, but now i feel it's just way, way too risky doing anything else.
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Postby AliceElite » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:12 pm

Clinton is going to win, and if the greens somehow manage to get 5% they get matching funds.

538 has Clinton's win chance at 70%. If you're considering voting 3rd party,unless you live in a swing state or a state that MIGHT go Drumpf, votes are better invested getting your state independent parties ballot access IMHO.
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Postby AliceElite » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:54 pm

Skywalker wrote:Well here in NC, there was only three candidates (and their VPs) -- Clinton, Drumpf, and Johnson. If you do the write in, it is not counted or something like that. So with that being said, I cast my ballot last week. I voted a pure Dem ticket. Cause NC is so fucked up right now. Black folks are currently suing due to black folks being dropped from the voting roles. That is to be expected if anyone knows anything about NC history.

While I am glad that there are a few different third party candidates, until one actually has some type of pull than the ones currently running.



Actually the only place where you can't write in or vote Stein/Baraka is OK, NV, and SD Sorry someone gave out incorrect info. :/
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Postby NaranjaRa » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:59 pm

you really want Stein, even though the Greens just endorsed Drumpf!?!?!

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10 ... l=facebook

now her whole thing in Russia as Putin's guest is making more sense. /62

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Postby NaranjaRa » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:04 pm

AliceElite wrote:Clinton is going to win, and if the greens somehow manage to get 5% they get matching funds.

538 has Clinton's win chance at 70%. If you're considering voting 3rd party,unless you live in a swing state or a state that MIGHT go Drumpf, votes are better invested getting your state independent parties ballot access IMHO.


the deal is in no way sealed. her leads have been falling fast, some only by 1 or 2 points in the big swing states. Drumpf could still win. especially with the well-timed FBI reveal of these "new" emails that most likely mean nothing but are only being reported as a potential problem. the director of the FBI is a republican by the way, if folks aren't following this stuff with Drumpf and Russia, you need to be. some scary, DARK shit is going on.

for example, military personnel overseas will be voting online. millions of votes could now be hacked.

and with Russia involved, this is not the election to take chances.

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