THE WAR ON REALITY

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Re: THE WAR ON REALITY

Postby Zansi'Vara » Tue May 16, 2017 9:42 pm

Jesus, that seems insanely irresponsible. I'm amazed they would both take on such a definition. o_o
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Re: THE WAR ON REALITY

Postby Brewtality » Wed May 17, 2017 8:30 am

Feydakin wrote:The mainstream is even trying to take the internet away from the independent content creators and journalists. They are doing everything they can short of straight up censoring content that doesn't follow the mainstream. Evidenced by the fact that for a while Youtube was putting all LBGTQ content in restricted mode only, which means that you cannot monetize it through ads, which is the only way many of the content creators were able to fund themselves. While Google/Youtube have since taken steps to take most LBGTQ content off restricted mode, a ton of other innocuous content is still left demonetized. Any mention of firearms, Islam, Sharia, conservatism, or anything they deem "adult" content is put in restricted mode and demonetized (almost all of which wasn't considered so before). Most conservative vloggers, firearms based channels, and especially independent journalists that deliver content via Youtube have had to go to crowdfunding resources like Patreon or pay for content services to be able to make ends meet and continue to deliver content. It has a chilling effect that a conspiracy-minded fellow might think was intended. It's downright Orwellian, even if your politics don't line up with those content creators you really have to admit that it's wrong.


A large part of what makes this scary is that Google/YouTube is well within their rights to do all of that shit. It's a private entity offering a service which you are by no means obliged to use. Don't like YouTube? Go to DailyMotion or Vimeo or Rokyu or whatever. No, they're not as good but YouTube has a near-monopoly on the user-uploaded-video market and it has become the de-facto video site for watching video content online. Google and YouTube are not public services and are allowed to control and censor their content in any way they please. But their position as information-gatekeepers online mean that their agenda ends up becoming almost a matter of public policy. The internet was supposed to be this big democratisation of information and opinion but what has happenned/is happening is that power and control online is being condensed into ever-smaller concentrations, making it easier to control public opinion.

As for the fascism definition: it is traditionally viewed as a right-wing ideology, despite the fact that it borrows much from both the traditional left and right. It is lazy as shit to say that it's a necessarily right-wing idea although the way 'fascist' is used today as a pejorative term for someone who is socially conservative can easily mislead people. I Googled a few different ideologies and Fascism was the only one which brought up synonyms like 'authoritarianism, totalitarianism' etc. Those words are certainly not synonyms for 'fascism' (although they do make up part of fascist ideology) and don't appear when searching for terms like Communism, where a totalitarian government is essentially, the end-game. But this is how it goes, I suppose. People start using a word incorrectly ('literally' probably being my most disliked example) and then everyone latches on to the inaccurate meaning, actively giving people a misrepresentation of the idea the word was originally meant to describe. That's Orwellian in itself.
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Re: THE WAR ON REALITY

Postby NaranjaRa » Wed May 17, 2017 4:21 pm

Brewtality wrote:As for the fascism definition: it is traditionally viewed as a right-wing ideology, despite the fact that it borrows much from both the traditional left and right. It is lazy as shit to say that it's a necessarily right-wing idea although the way 'fascist' is used today as a pejorative term for someone who is socially conservative can easily mislead people. I Googled a few different ideologies and Fascism was the only one which brought up synonyms like 'authoritarianism, totalitarianism' etc. Those words are certainly not synonyms for 'fascism' (although they do make up part of fascist ideology) and don't appear when searching for terms like Communism, where a totalitarian government is essentially, the end-game. But this is how it goes, I suppose. People start using a word incorrectly ('literally' probably being my most disliked example) and then everyone latches on to the inaccurate meaning, actively giving people a misrepresentation of the idea the word was originally meant to describe. That's Orwellian in itself.


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...and put them in a much better terminology, too (sun) :giggle:

one of my favorite recent examples of false definitions latching on is how people called Obama a "Fascist Communist Socialist Muslim". say whaaaaat??!?!?!!? /rotfl
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Re: THE WAR ON REALITY

Postby Feydakin » Wed May 17, 2017 4:30 pm

I just looked at six different dictionaries at one of the local colleges dating from 1920 to 2000, and skimmed several books there with information on the subject of the term "fascism" and where it came from. Not one of them say anything about fascism being a "right-wing" ideology... not one. Yes, I wanted to seek the truth, so instead of trusting Google, I actually took a trip to the library (that place with books), and looked up actual printed literature from the last 100 years or so... when I get a new smart phone I will go back and take pictures. I tried to find excerpts online that were legit but had no luck. I trust the printed word more anyhow.
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Re: THE WAR ON REALITY

Postby NaranjaRa » Wed May 17, 2017 4:47 pm

i was just remembering the days of being in school with actual books....it was always presented as mostly right-wing.

why the issue?
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Re: THE WAR ON REALITY

Postby ink » Wed May 17, 2017 7:35 pm

Feydakin wrote:I just looked at six different dictionaries at one of the local colleges dating from 1920 to 2000, and skimmed several books there with information on the subject of the term "fascism" and where it came from. Not one of them say anything about fascism being a "right-wing" ideology... not one. Yes, I wanted to seek the truth, so instead of trusting Google, I actually took a trip to the library (that place with books), and looked up actual printed literature from the last 100 years or so... when I get a new smart phone I will go back and take pictures. I tried to find excerpts online that were legit but had no luck. I trust the printed word more anyhow.



word! i swear reading actual literature is a lost art.. /reading
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Re: THE WAR ON REALITY

Postby NaranjaRa » Wed May 17, 2017 9:55 pm

books - real books you can smell and feel - are indeed wonderful.

BUT let's not forget they can also still be twisted, out-dated, and very misleading. "history" has often been demonstrated to be little more than the preferred version of events selected for the masses by the "rulers" that often has little-to-no resemblance to what actually happened.

fake news just went digital and more in the mainstream is all. ;-)

let's move any further debate about Fascism to this thread though, please & thankyas: Political Parties and their Philosophies

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