Didn't know where else to put this...feminist porn.

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Postby BriarRose » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:33 pm

Hi Queen & her ladies! I got this in my email today and thought you guys would enjoy/connect with it...hope so anyways! (ps I love Emma Watson, I do, but I think this is pretty on point).

Roses are red, violets are blue, you are tied up...

What if Erotica went to bed with Good Values?

Lovely lusties and firm believers of gender equality,

A few weeks ago, Emma Watson interviewed Gloria Steinem on feminist issues and had this brilliant idea of calling for the creation of "awesome alternatives" to p*rnography. "Great!" you might say, and I would tend to agree, if it wasn't for the fact that feminist p*rn doesn't only already exists, but it's been existing for over twenty years now.

One of the questions I've heard the most during my ten years in this industry is: "how come p*rnograpphy can be feminist?". A lot of people seem to (still) believe that erotica and feminism could never hold hands, and even the ones that want it to happen - which I'm keen to think it's the case of Emma - don't bother to properly look for it.

We've been in this road long enough to prove that yes, good values & erotica can go to bed together and have a HOT-AS-F night. And as I know this is something to be seen (and not read), here's a description of what a feminist p*rn film actually looks like.

It looks real.

J. Bryan Lowder once said: "Most p*rn made for men is shot in such a way as to allow the male viewer to project himself into the scene. The woman is thus presented as available to any man who wishes to use her." How to change that? Put the woman in the decision-making role, make clear that she's there because she wants to, and pay attention to her pleasure. Does this sound somewhat strange? Then we must be in the right path.

It looks ethical.

Erotica isn't supposed to make you close your eyes, shut down the TV and assume fetal position for the rest of the day. Instead, it is supposed to give you ideas, to please your eyes and your senses, to make you feel connected to your primary instincts. To make you feel Inspired. Aroused. Alive.

It looks pleasurable.

Let me tell you a secret: you know how female porn stars are always coming really loud in every mainstream film? Well, that's fake. Women don't always come, especially when there's no action anywhere near the clitoris. In mainstream productions, the guy has to keep the genital area free so the camera has the explicit (almost gynaecological) shot - and the consequence is a lonely clit, forgotten by hands and tongues. Enough with that! It's time for real pleasure, realistic orgasms, and protagonism of all clitoris.

It looks hot!

If you think that good values porn is not hot or kinky, you are terribly mistaken! That's like saying the sex you make to your partner can't be good because you respect them. It can, it should, and it is!

For your pleasure,

Erika Lust (erikalustfilms.com)
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Postby Phara » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:19 am

Hmm... this might be a CnD topic, but I'll totally leave it here. Might get more reading.

Honestly... I only watch Erotica, I fuckin' hate porn. The only person's work I've ever found to be pleasurable is Andrew Blake, although I'm sure there are other names that merit praise. It's real looking and it's sexy as fuck. The celluloid trash that is the mainstream... to each their own, but I find it vulgar.

http://www.andrewblake.com/?home

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Postby Phara » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:22 am

//titled...

you are Dark Erotic :)
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Postby NaranjaRa » Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:56 pm

yes, i do want to discuss more....
and i definitely have something to say about the "Male Gaze" in cinematagraphy in general.
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Postby AliceElite » Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:08 pm

I love you and I love this.

Seriously, though, I've been saying these exact things to people for SUCH A LONG TIME WOW. The male fucking gaze though.

I loooooove erotica and pornography that is heavily consent focused. There's this website called Make Love Not Porn, and it is something you need to see. https://makelovenotporn.tv/ It's all about showing REAL sex and how like real actual sex can be sexy and hot - it doesn't have to be the oversexualized male-centric shit we get spoonfed. <3
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Postby BriarRose » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:17 pm

@AliceElite & @Phara: going to definitely check both those resources! It's very true that feminist or female-centric porn has existed for a long time, and it seems like that's what Erika is saying as well I like that she's a female erotic director, her work makes for interesting (and let's face it less offensive) watching.
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Postby BriarRose » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:20 pm

Phara wrote://titled...

you are Dark Erotic :)


AHHMAZING...and so very true...thanks Queen!
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Postby Phara » Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:37 pm

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ooooh... male gaze. nails it on the head. i don't think about this too often as a topic, but yes the patriarchy is quite dominant in porn, without a doubt. Yea... as cliche and sexual normative as it might be, I much prefer erotica to straight porn.
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Postby Phara » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:53 pm

bump, cuz we need more self love :)
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Postby BriarRose » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:28 am

Phara wrote:bump, cuz we need more self love :)


self-love is the best kind!
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Postby Corgimom » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:15 am

Way back when, there was a lesbian porn mag called on our backs. Lots of feminists hated it (the women were not like playboy pretty, they were badd ass and raunchy) but I found it raw and inspiring.

Link to a comic strip it ran
http://jennifercamper.com/comics/

I don't know how old you are but there used to be a thing where the mens bars had a weekly porn night and did not allow women at that time. Tell me I am not allowed and you can bet I will so I was allowed in a few times but it was kinda boring and the places smelled off to me.

Now quite by accident I ended up owning a women bar for a couple of years in Fort Lauderdale. I didn't want to do the women only thing cause I prefer to be inclusive but I decided Sundays were very dead so maybe it would be a good day to do women only and porn/eroticism. So I invested in every by lesbians for lesbian porn movie out at the time. Everyone working on Sexy Sundays wore teddy s, or the like. I usually wore leather and tried to be bad assed.

It was wonderful to see who came and went and how many ended up coming back. I had the porn is demeaning lecture so many times I knew when it would be time to respond and respond I did.

Anyone here feel demeaned or taken advantage of? Pop Burlez in the player and see what this is really about.
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Postby Syreeta » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:22 am

I feel like its not just woman who lose out with alot of porn, but men also....I hate to demonise men when they literally are not taught how to respond,..we are bombarded as a society, young and older males are lost these days.

Too fearfull to even acknowledge womans sexuality ...when it should be ok to say,..hey, you look good/sexy..without it being taken as sleezy, sometimes its just..i see you, i see you and your gorgeous in my eyes!..sexuality has been so distorted and twisted...instead of its real beauty, its true potential,..and we as woman maybe need to lead the way,..a bit..and we can work together I think.

I see alot of men so scared of what to say, not to say, do, not to do....and I think, ..and know...men appreciate the subtle erotica as much as woman.


hmmm...good and broad topic
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Postby BriarRose » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:07 am

Syreeta wrote: I see alot of men so scared of what to say, not to say, do, not to do....and I think, ..and know...men appreciate the subtle erotica as much as woman.


YES! Absolutely; this applies even to how we're gender normalized as children (boys don't cry, girls don't fight, etc.) I think we've become either very sensitized or desensitized to how we look at and/or react to gender roles when it comes to sex/sexuality (real or in pornography)
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Postby cerrodepedro » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:31 am

*Registers support for this, which INCLUDES RESPECT for sex workers and/or folks who just want to be depicted*

Mormon/religious traditions background shit: It's funny; once you remove the shame from sex in general, porn is suddenly off-putting and feels absurd. The further it gets from a consenting situation (or as it's defined here the pornography/erotica dichotomy), the more disgusting, the more, as Phara put it, vulgar it is, and not in any way related to kink.
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Postby Syreeta » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:41 am

I totally agree ^ with both you guys above

and an example, I do slightly playfull kinky shoots of my own self...and yet, the dichotemy is, I kindof live like a nun for a decade and have barely had sex in that time, and yet i am still a sexual being and enjoy erotica and my own sexuality...but learning how to do it right after a long journey in this area.

So I've kindof been exploring alot of that with my art.
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Postby Phara » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:11 pm

Syreeta wrote:I totally agree ^ with both you guys above

and an example, I do slightly playfull kinky shoots of my own self...and yet, the dichotemy is, I kindof live like a nun for a decade and have barely had sex in that time, and yet i am still a sexual being and enjoy erotica and my own sexuality...but learning how to do it right after a long journey in this area.

So I've kindof been exploring alot of that with my art.

This is such fascinating insight into you.
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Postby AliceElite » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:21 pm

I love this whole fucking thread you guys wow. <3

It's really amazing to see this group of women come together and have these kinds of discussions. Thanks for posting and contributing here.
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Postby Syreeta » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:46 pm

Phara wrote:
Syreeta wrote:I totally agree ^ with both you guys above

and an example, I do slightly playfull kinky shoots of my own self...and yet, the dichotemy is, I kindof live like a nun for a decade and have barely had sex in that time, and yet i am still a sexual being and enjoy erotica and my own sexuality...but learning how to do it right after a long journey in this area.

So I've kindof been exploring alot of that with my art.

This is such fascinating insight into you.


thanks,

I really enjoy sensuality and orgasms but kindof discerning who I go to bed with these days,..I did have a really enjoyable one night stand not so long ago with a hang gliding massuese...funny:D


I think its also beautiful to share orgasms with others.

i love, love, love..cumming

I also quite enjoy being watched strangely and think theres a place for sharing true orgasms in a healing safe space, even online.

p.s i have actually had a couple fantasies about you;) I was enjoying pleasuring you with my mouth, it was quite hot....especially as I am exploring my sexual submissve side( though i'm not submissive elsewhere)
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Postby BriarRose » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:29 pm

Syreeta wrote:...especially as I am exploring my sexual submissve side( though i'm not submissive elsewhere)


I always find the juxtaposition between dominance out of bed vs submissiveness in bed and vs versa so interesting...thanks for sharing @Syreeta :)
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Postby Syreeta » Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:32 pm

I know Briarrose


its been a real navigation for me


I am just getting over my attraction to assholes, because unfortunately many true Dominating personalities are not evolved enough to get the intricacies and delicacies of the whole deal, and are not allways great people.


Its about way more than sex for me, its a time to relax,.turn off my 'big' stuff where I am master of my own life and ship.
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Postby NaranjaRa » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:43 am

i have so many thoughts about this it's difficult to get straight, so the best i can do is comment as things hit me. this is a topic i deal with in my art specifically - in the area of what we are "taught" is male and female versus what comes to us naturally. and when it comes to sex, we are definitely taught...and mostly not very well...especially because of the tools currently most readily (read- easily) available. i feel like there's now GENERATIONS of men who don't even really know how to make love. because with the internet, everyone at the youngest age can start to see what the filmmakers present as "sexy". which is the Male Gaze and all that comes along with it, including and not limited to the non-inclusion of the women's pleasure POV. now im not going to knock anything specific. because some women do indeed enjoy being choked with a cock in their throats to the point of vomiting from no breath. but this is what most men are now growing up assuming sex should be like. that it's how all women must want it. fast and hard and impersonal and posing in the mirror like American Psycho kinda shit (written by a woman BTW!).

it's ugly and disturbs me to no end.

and has led to many, many very dissatisfying lovers because they all act like they think they're in a porno. :|

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