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[11:18:17 AM] z0mbie: Meeting my first client in like 2 hours.. I just know he's gunna be a dick
[11:19:18 AM] ink: charisma
[11:19:21 AM] z0mbie: Attitude on the phone was soo wired for a first call .. but .. I need it?
[11:19:48 AM] ink: lol with the ?
[11:20:47 AM] z0mbie: I'm tempted like give him the benefit of the doubt but if I get a sign that he's a fucktard I'm out.. why I left employment
[11:21:19 AM] z0mbie: But history is almost making me not wanna go
[11:21:40 AM] ink: yea but you have to change it..
[11:21:53 AM] ink: otherwise insanity
[11:22:25 AM] ink: yesterday, a guy emailed me about the Miguel Cabrera painting...
[11:22:38 AM] ink: I'm pretty sure he was trying to negotiate
[11:22:52 AM] ink: but I think I handled it kind of cold
[11:23:36 AM] z0mbie: That's what he was doing.. like I don't talk prices I ask what you want then ask for a budget and work around it
[11:23:48 AM] ink: dude asked me the price.. I told him 650. he said it was way out of his price range. so I just said, no problem.. I understand. peace
[11:23:54 AM] ink: (rofl)
[11:24:01 AM] z0mbie: He never worked like that in 39 years of business
[11:24:20 AM] z0mbie: Did you design your home page? Err yea
[11:24:26 AM] z0mbie: Not very enticing
[11:24:38 AM] ink: lol
[11:24:39 AM] z0mbie: Stfu were talking bout you bitch
[11:25:06 AM] ink: maybe we were not meant to settle..
[11:25:10 AM] z0mbie: What the price?? Huh I've explained what we do
[11:25:34 AM] z0mbie: I know but.. it's an in
[11:25:53 AM] ink: yea I thought about that too
[11:25:58 AM] z0mbie: And I think that's worth to me more than a site is worth to him
[11:28:23 AM] ink: i feel like this.. if dude emails me back and wants to negotiate proper-like, i will
[11:28:51 AM] ink: but don't say how much is that painting? and then say that's way out of my price range
[11:29:16 AM] ink: (angry)
[11:30:30 AM] z0mbie: Live by a rule if you have to ask how much .. you can't afford it
[11:31:23 AM] ink: yep, and then.. crickets
[11:31:50 AM] ink: idk.. maybe I'm looking at it wrong. maybe i shouldn't get offended
[11:32:02 AM | Edited 11:32:13 AM] z0mbie: So easy to though
[11:32:23 AM] ink: yea
[11:34:40 AM] Phara: It's very tricky in the art world
[11:35:27 AM] ink: im beginning to experience the reality of that
[11:35:43 AM] Phara: Because I have to ask that question but I do everything with artists in the most grateful tone
[11:35:47 AM] ink: actually, ive been wrestling with it for some time now
[11:36:12 AM] Phara: Kinda think it's case by case but as a general rule that is a good one
[11:36:32 AM] Phara: But keep your eye on vibe defo, it's not a deal breaker
[11:36:49 AM] Phara: Plus people just don't understand how much goes into the process
[11:37:09 AM] Phara: But a douche is a douche
[11:38:19 AM] z0mbie: Yea I'm not gunna play games if it's not a match.. don't need that
[11:38:21 AM] ink: i mean i read of his two sentences for what seems like ever.. and i could've interpreted it in a bunch of different ways.. but what kind of made me cringe was, that bargain shopper swap meet attitude. idk, still kind of upsets me
[11:41:06 AM] z0mbie: U want it for free?? Urn.. well hmm I dunno
[11:41:17 AM] ink: :D
[11:41:21 AM] ink: exactly
[11:41:53 AM] z0mbie: Oh wait I got the deal for you .. I give you 50 to take it
[11:42:02 AM] ink: lolololol
[11:42:05 AM] z0mbie: Urn thinking more like 109
[11:42:13 AM] ink: yes please rob me..
[11:42:21 AM] ink: and have my shoes
[11:42:32 AM] ink: and my coat
[11:42:48 AM] z0mbie: Ballpark please.. my house or more like my car
[11:42:56 AM] ink: (cwl)
[11:43:31 AM] z0mbie: Fml not a mentality I want tonight
[11:43:58 AM] ink: for real.. frame change!
[11:43:58 AM | Edited 11:44:07 AM] z0mbie: Walk in and be like bitch want it or not?
[11:44:05 AM] ink: lolol
[11:44:34 AM] ink: i need to watch some more tony robbins
[11:45:14 AM] z0mbie: Haha
[11:45:28 AM] z0mbie: Construct this mother fucker
[11:45:48 AM] ink: (flex)
[11:48:37 AM] nanna bot: any time u guys wanna bounce a situation off me hit me up i'll help best I can. we need the professional art biz thread again...
[11:49:24 AM] ink: yea
[11:50:01 AM] nanna bot: and Z if u never saw it look up a website called Clients from Hell. its funny and helps reinforce how common shit is in the design world
[11:52:39 AM] z0mbie: I have and it is indeed fitting
[11:52:40 AM] nanna bot: ah
[11:52:49 AM] nanna bot: hehehe cool
[11:53:17 AM] nanna bot: when I'm angry about a job I go to that site
[11:53:25 AM] nanna bot: makes me feel more sane
[11:54:35 AM] nanna bot: and that I'm not alone and clients are ignorant
but sadly part of the job is to educate them which is the part I hate and why I don't do web work for people who don't know what a URL is anymore
[11:55:19 AM] nanna bot: u become their personal fucking IT department :|
[11:58:06 AM | Edited 11:58:24 AM] ink: education through honest dialog without going full on aggro..
[11:58:43 AM] ink: gymnastics anyone?
[11:59:01 AM] nanna bot: it can be hard to make folks understand why intangibles like our time and experience are worth the price
[11:59:11 AM] ink: but nec
[11:59:12 AM] nanna bot: right?
[11:59:16 AM] ink: yes
[12:05:42 PM | Edited 12:10:58 PM] ink: i guess i just have to practice tolerance with those who don't know.. becuz i do see the disconnect. it does become exhausting pouring everything you have into your work, and then turn around and be extra wide open, pitching to someone who is trying to be frugal. //conundrum
[12:10:24 PM] nanna bot: and balance how hard u need funds with how much shit u wanna take
[12:13:12 PM] nanna bot: starting out I was always hungry and let a lot of folks walk over me and eat up a lot of unpaid time. but I built up a rep and some sent me more clients....so its a tightrope, even when u get more established. and ive tried all methods of pricing, trying to get budgets from people first, etc....found I just use my intuition feel them out and decide the best approach these days
[12:13:25 PM] nanna bot: i will C&P this stuff to remake that thread
[12:14:00 PM] ink: yes, that would be awesome